Washington Rifle in vehicle in WA ?

[ilikegunspdx]

I'm guessing I'm "Whatshisname".

I went to CHP Academy right out of high school. I dropped out after a couple weeks seeing the kind of dipsh!ts I'd be working with, plus the kind of crap they wanted us to pull to rack up our arrest numbers. Not for me.

Working in the gun industry, I came across a lot of officers from different walks of life. Not all bad, but not the best examples of the population either. Lots of holier-than-thou attitude, some of which you're displaying now.


The ATF being a stellar example of that relationship.

It shocks me that alleged 2A supporters pick and choose which other bits of the constitution they deem important.

Exactly what 'team' are we on?


If they would just learn the constitution they are allegedly upholding, we wouldn't have these issues.

That's the same guy who likes to tell people "you don't belong here" as if it's his own personal forum and generally attack members and sometimes all the members at once. I'm really surprised he hasn't been banned. I can't say anymore without violating rule #1 (a rule he seems to violate a lot).

 

[Old Dog]

Not all bad, but not the best examples of the population either. Lots of holier-than-thou attitude, some of which you're displaying now.

A bit hypocritical to expect that the variety of folks working in LE shouldn't reflect the variety of people and attitudes in the generation population, eh?

The ATF being a stellar example of that relationship.

Guessin' you don't know anyone currently working in LE who's ever expressed their opinion of folks in that particular bureau, eh?

It shocks me that alleged 2A supporters pick and choose which other bits of the constitution they deem important.

If I'm reading this sentence correctly, on that we agree.

If they would just learn the constitution they are allegedly upholding, we wouldn't have these issues.

Given that you haven't written anything in this thread detailing anything about your encounters with law enforcement, I can't respond to this. I can tell you that most of the folks I've worked with over the past couple decades had a much clearer understanding of the Constitution thanthe average citizen. Or the average internet forum anonymous poster...

@Yarome did a pretty good breakdown in an earlier post about the actual numbers of citizen-police interactions that you may want to go back and review.

At this point, I'm ready to conclude that some here just want to bubblegum for the sake of bubbleguming.

 

[Nosferatu]

At this point, I'm ready to conclude that some here just want to bubblegum for the sake of bubbleguming.

Find a mirror.

 

[Old Dog]

Find a mirror.

Well, that's quite the pithy response. I wasn't actually b1tch in but simply attempting to counter/raise the BS flag on a couple comments from other posters.

Can we agree everyone's true colors are on display at this point?

 

[bradsteen]

When the conversation goes something like, "Where are you coming from?" Answer, "These are not my pants."...a good officer is going to try and find out what is in the pants that are not his.

"Is that a gun in your pocket or are you just happy you got pulled over?"

 

[Xaevian]

Yeah, only 30 years. Well aware of the DOJ consent decree and the history. Of course, I only worked 17 years in the law enforcement community up here after retiring from the military (having also worked a few years as a reserve cop in SoCal and elsewhere as well as a short stint as a deputy sheriff before going on active duty), so I'm sure my knowledge pales in comparison to yours and the rest of the anonymous brain trust that constitutes this forum membership.

My point was taking exception to whatshisname's post about needing only to have the ability to fog a mirror to become a cop these days. Utter horse poop. But I know that those predisposed to the anti-LE bias neither know nor care what the requirements are these days to enter the field, y'all want to believe that crap, have at it, your opinions don't keep me awake at night.

It's truly ironic that so many alleged supporters of the 2nd Amendment and the RKBA, supposed stalwarts of the movement, believe that they have to maintain an adversarial relationship with law enforcement personnel when the reality is that we're all on the same team.

But if turning a five-minute encounter on the roadside with a cop who pulls you over for doing 74 in a 55 zone into an uncomfortable thirty minute or one hour mess makes you feel as though you are displaying your credentials as a master supporter of your Constitutional rights, go for it. Just be honest when telling us how that worked out for you. And then 'splain please, how you have advanced the cause of supporting the Second Amendment and the Right to Keep and Bear Arms and made the rest of the law-abiding gun-owners in America look good.

Dunno, been around cops my whole pre-adult life. There is only 2 types of people that become cops. Those that want to help people, and those that crave authority. Which were you?

 

[Old Dog]

When the conversation goes something like, "Where are you coming from?" Answer, "These are not my pants."...a good officer is going to try and find out what is in the pants that are not his (yes, criminals say this when they have dope in their pockets).

Yeah, the average citizen has zero comprehension about the stupid crap we had to deal with. If one found a pistol under the seat in a car owned and driven by a convicted felon, it was always, "That ain't mine. I let my cousin drive my car last week." The bag of weed or meth in the pocket? "What?!! That ain't mine -- my brother borrowed these pants last week" or "I never seen that! You planted that ****!"

One time this dude said, "You just pulled me over 'cause I'm a black guy with a white woman" -- in the middle of a rainstorm on a dark moonless night, no streetlights, totally blacked-out car windows... All righty, then...

 

[Alexx1401]

Yeah, the average citizen has zero comprehension about the stupid crap we had to deal with. If one found a pistol under the seat in a car owned and driven by a convicted felon, it was always, "That ain't mine. I let my cousin drive my car last week." The bag of weed or meth in the pocket? "What?!! That ain't mine -- my brother borrowed these pants last week" or "I never seen that! You planted that ****!"

One time this dude said, "You just pulled me over 'cause I'm a black guy with a white woman" -- in the middle of a rainstorm on a dark moonless night, no streetlights, totally blacked-out car windows... All righty, then...

Those aren't my pants

 

[Old Dog]

There is only 2 types of people that become cops. Those that want to help people, and those that crave authority. Which were you?

Not sure where you've spent your "whole life," but those who become cops because they "crave authority" are few and far between. Maybe it's a regional thing... Certainly nowhere I've ever worked. Cops that "crave authority" are typically weeded out within the first year or so of their employment.

Nevertheless, it's sad that you feel that you can break down career and life choices in such a simplistic fashion.

 

[Xaevian]

Not sure where you've spent your "whole life," but those who become cops because they "crave authority" are few and far between. Maybe it's a regional thing... Certainly nowhere I've ever worked. Cops that "crave authority" are typically weeded out within the first year or so of their employment.

Nevertheless, it's sad that you feel that you can break down career and life choices in such a simplistic fashion.

That answers my question in a round about fashion.

 

[10mm]

"Do you know why I stopped you?"

"You forgot already?"

Bruce

I have been told by LEO's many times that I almost did this or that, a, b, or c, back there (often including the phrase on my Highway, road, etc.) Response- "I was not aware that it is illegal in this jurisdiction to nearly violate or come close to violating the law." Or that my car was fogged up late at night and they thought it may be stolen. Or the plate comes back to a different vehicle. Or that my truck was spotted in a nearby recent burglary or other seemingly recently fabricated fictional crime.
They have a usually tough and mostly unpleasant job to do in often adverse conditions, and yes, I have several active and retired LEO's in my immediate family. They all chose to be cops at a very young age. When kids play cops and robbers was either party ever trying to help one another, or more like yell commands at gunpoint? I have OFTEN been asked as a second or third question if I have any guns or weapons in the vehicle. Been felony stopped as well, all usually because of a fancy ride and "distinctive haircut". I was even stopped by the FBI once in Snohomish County, just east of Everett. That was not any fun, but as the man said, they had more important s*@# to handle. But they can legally lie all day and night to us, so who ever really knows? I have also read enough offical reports on incidents where I was there, and they showed up, to know that the after-action my word is the gospel and legal truth report is often a persuasive essay.

My favorite interaction/LEO contact first question at door's rear edge, broad daylight, pulled over safely and calmly, no shoulder drop, hands on wheel, keys on the floor, wide shoulder, I-5 "I've been following you for miles, do you know how many cars you've passed!?!"
"Yes."
"Well!?!"
" All of them."
"eigthtymumble" visibly fuming, there was actual steam coming from the top of his hat. Once you know they probably won't let you go, why act like his secretary?

Muth*@%&>{er actually hung way back just to see if he could get his passed-safely-on-the-left car count up to a hundred before I spotted him. What a wise use of public safety funds, fuel, and energy.

I also would tell them "Just put refuse to sign" when asked to sign the citation. "Sir, it is not an admittance of guilt, it just acknowledges receipt of the ticket!" So I repeated - for the fourth and fifth time- "Just put refuse to sign" and then after the fifth time, "So call your sergeant and tell him that I refuse to sign the citation." He wasted my time, ruined my day, I can travel safely at high speed in dry conditions just as well as he can, and I pay my taxes, and a lot of vehicle fees. He is getting paid to give a guy who could be on his way to whatever crisis he is trying to currently solve in as time-efficient manner as possible, an unwanted driving lesson on the side of the road, play word games, and spout wisecracks. He may see the situation differently. Definitely some great police types around, but they only want to hang out with each other in some sort of club for people who have to be in the same field of work to enjoy each other's company. That always seemed weird, exclusionary, and self-righteous to me.

Yes, many State Patrol have explained they are trying to keep people safe, and they are. But wouldn't it have been prudent for the safety of the people's Highway and those traveling upon it to have flashed the light bar or brights? I always slow right down for all police and give them the road. I know that I would appreciate that show of respect for the law, and an officer, deputy, or trooper's authority, and do try to put myself in their shoes mentally. This was all in the NW, but some contacts were more than 30 years ago. Now they don't even ask anybody to sign their tickets, nor pull anybody over for dead tabs, faulty muffler, bad taillights, or suspicion of no insurance and hard drugs are consumed in the open. I always comply with commands and therefore was not shot by anyone for having a bad taillight or dead tabs because they may be having a bad day or didn't get their preferred piece of previously. Keeping my hands always in plain sight seems prudent for self preservation. Cops hear a lot of bad stories about things going bad quickly. Mistakes happen, as we are all human, but if we continue to prosecute police for murder how does anyone expect the average to rise? Who in their right mind would go out on that cracked limb to serve and protect the public? The tree of justice and it's branches are growing weak and rotten. Will we be able to nurse it back to health or do we need to plant a new tree now?

If no one will be allowed to be able to effectively police the people we will either have robots and computers do it or they will take our cars and other freedoms away. Getting dangerously close to a tipping point that will do more damage to modern society than global warming could only dream of.

 

[vonwick308]

Oh boy

 

[Jay Walk]

I'm just here so I don't get fined.