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I dunno. His shots hit the opposite side at right about center mass and the building appears to be of poured concrete construction. I don't know of many pistol calibers that are going to through and through a steel sheeted door and at the very minimum... 8 inches of concrete.Does your need/desire to save your own hide entitle you to blindly shoot and mag dump 13 rounds...HIGH...into your neighbors apartment?
I can appreciate the crap sandwich he was dealt. But if I live across the way from him, my answer is HELL NO! He's lucky he didn't kill EVERYONE in the unit across from him.
Maybe, he could have.....just open the door a bit and rolled a frag out?
Nah.
Frags are expensive. Rrrrright....since there is also that Federal Tax.
Aloha, Mark
Agreed. There is also the fact that there was nothing stopping the guys on the other side from firing at/through the door either. Possibly in an attempt to compromise the door lock(?) With the number of kicks they appeared highly motivated to enter the apt and there was no guarantee it would continue to hold. Maintaining any advantage in a gun fight is always a good idea.I have no problem with him shooting through a closed door when he is watching security cameras that show two armed assailants on the other side trying to bridge the entry. In that situation he knew where they were standing and they were unaware of where he was, that was the time to shoot at the bad guys. However, I would not have emptied my magazine unless I had others on my body.
I also have no problem with him firing his firearm and the backstop is another apartment about 15' away. His bullets have to travel thru two walls before they enter that apt. What is he supposed to do? Not shoot at people trying to kill him because there is a small chance the adjacent apt is occupied and a round he fires could randomly hit someone.
It would have been questionable to allow them to open his door and make himself an easier target prior to shooting. He would have had an easier shot at them, with the tradeoff being they have an easier shot at him... With the door closed they did not have a shot at him.
I do have a problem with him shooting with a door shut. I would like to see how many rounds made it though the other apartment and see if they were intact how far they went. Yes the apartment was empty but in other similar situations the apartment may be occupied and you are responsible for every round shot. I live in Washington so I know better than to shoot though a closed door and also if the suspect is fleeing I do not shoot them in the back either.I have no problem with him shooting through a closed door when he is watching security cameras that show two armed assailants on the other side trying to bridge the entry. In that situation he knew where they were standing and they were unaware of where he was, that was the time to shoot at the bad guys. However, I would not have emptied my magazine unless I had others on my body.
I also have no problem with him firing his firearm and the backstop is another apartment about 15' away. His bullets have to travel thru two walls before they enter that apt. What is he supposed to do? Not shoot at people trying to kill him because there is a small chance the adjacent apt is occupied and a round he fires could randomly hit someone.
It would have been questionable to allow them to open his door and make himself an easier target prior to shooting. He would have had an easier shot at them, with the tradeoff being they have an easier shot at him... With the door closed they did not have a shot at him.
All hitting the exterior wall of a building code minimum of 8" of poured concrete.... from a handgun... already passing through... at minimum... 2 metal shells of the door? Whatchawanna bet there was "zero" penetration into the adjacent apartment?I do have a problem with him shooting with a door shut. I would like to see how many rounds made it though the other apartment and see if they were intact how far they went. Yes the apartment was empty but in other similar situations the apartment may be occupied and you are responsible for every round shot. I live in Washington so I know better than to shoot though a closed door and also if the suspect is fleeing I do not shoot them in the back either.
Well, the local police and prosecutors have not charged him to my knowledge..I do have a problem with him shooting with a door shut. I would like to see how many rounds made it though the other apartment and see if they were intact how far they went. Yes the apartment was empty but in other similar situations the apartment may be occupied and you are responsible for every round shot. I live in Washington so I know better than to shoot though a closed door and also if the suspect is fleeing I do not shoot them in the back either.
It would be interesting to hear the comments of law enforcement, self-defense instructors or an attorney versed in firearm laws on how they would have advised the person in the apartment being broken into. I imagine the advice would differ from simply do nothing and call the police to at what exact moment he should have fired in self-defense...
Consider... if your bullets can pass through your door... so can the bullets from a guy with a gun on the other side. Attempting to breech your door... Imminent threat exists.It would be interesting to hear the comments of law enforcement, self-defense instructors or an attorney versed in firearm laws on how they would have advised the person in the apartment being broken into. I imagine the advice would differ from simply do nothing and call the police to at what exact moment he should have fired in self-defense...
The person could have waited until the door was breached prior to firing, in which case he would have made himself a much easier target. Also, any shot he fired in self-defense at that instance would have had a higher chance of entering a neighboring apt than compared to when he shot.