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I'd like to think I'm not a one issue voter but to me the 2A is the guarantor of the others we hold dear.
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If you're a 2A supporter, it is simply nonsensical to vote for/support politicians who are putting in a deliberate effort to try in strip you of your rights/property. Period.
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Are these the types of naïve folks who vote for politicians who try to legislate away their rights?
The problem with the state of politics right now is that there are many, many center and libertarian folks that don't prescribe to either party. People's views are more complex than what a two party system can provide.
Our healthcare system in this country is atrocious.
I believe in a balanced budget, something both parties no longer care about. I also think that we could be using the tax code and tax law to better incentivize nuclear families and small business.
But, back to the topic...Yes, I think that it is perfectly possible for someone to lean left but also be very caring about 2A. They may not be the norm...
"Liberal" is not a synonym for "Democrat" any more than "conservative" is a synonym for "Republican" (why are the Democrats such warhawks and McCarthyites recently? What have the Republicans done to reign in the deficit recently?)
They can bury their heads in the sand and virtue signal that their views are just too complex for a 2 party system, but, like it or not, we live and vote in a 2 party system. A D or an R will occupy most elected offices. One of those parties has stated they want to repeal the 2A. Failure to comprehend that will not make it any better when the 2A is taken from us forever. That's what is at stake.
False. Don't confuse health care with health insurance. We have probably the best healthcare system of any nation, probably a lot better. You can get a multi-bypass heart operation within 24 hours, maybe less, if you need it. Many (not all) cancers can be treated and either cured or at least the patient's life prolonged for years. You can get an MRI any time you need one. You may not like the cost, but in most countries you can't get these things without going on a long waiting list if it is available at all. Why is our system so much better? Profit. If people can get rich by coming up with innovative treatments and drugs, then they will work miracles to make it happen, and they do so every day. Take the profit motive away and you'll get an aspirin and a Chaplin when you go to the doctor. Our system is far from perfect, and the high cost is partly (mostly?) the result of government regulations and mandates. If government is so great at health insurance why isn't Obamacare awesome? Why are the premiums unaffordable even though they have huge deductibles?
Sounds nice, but your statements are non-specific, thus they have no meaning. They do not state what you'd cut or how high you'd raise taxes to achieve those things. The devil is in the details. Provide the details, do the math, then let us know how it would work.
Agree with this. Unfortunately, those who vote left, whether they understand it or not, are destroying the 2A. There is no wiggle room on it; may have been some wiggle room 20 years ago, but not today. One party has vowed to repeal the 2A - we all know which one that is.
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The Ds are suddenly warhawks because they are opposing the Big Bad Orange Man; that is the ONLY reason.
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OMG.....look at all them lever actions.
That's what I said!
The original "Assault Weapon" (well, kind of)
Now, if we can just get them to put 2 and 2 together and turn CNN off.
Let me restate my point for you using different words: a person may be in a "democrat" club but may not side with some or even most of the "democratic" views, thus when election time comes, they may vote republican or third party.
I never said that the government was good at health insurance. I stated that for-profit insurance doesn't rub me the right way from a moral perspective. I'm sure wishing that you would have addressed that point, as it gets to the root of how either of us value these things, than get hung up on semantics.
Let's backtrack and discuss if you even think the general direction is a good heading?
Hopefully, after they get crushed at the next election, enough of the moderates will bring them back to sanity (which can include reframing the party line view on 2A). Either way, the solution to a secure 2A isn't to simply vote right through the end of time, it's to aid in helping the Democratic Party reframe their stance.
It has been interesting reading through a liberal guns owners forum. I think we share more in common than we think.
Personally, I feel that there is no pro-gun politician. There are really only very anti-gun politicians and best case do-nothing politicians. Just like having 2 years of republican majority houses and getting exactly zero pro-gun legislation. None of those politicians want us armed.
I always feel voting is the avoiding the worst of 2 evils.
Reading the liberal gun owners forum I see people who want to vote for liberal non-gun issues but hate the fact that they dont have any pro-gun democrats to vote for. So they dont vote and get apathetic
So I think there might be more possible camaraderie there we give credit for. Because I'm progun and I either get to vote for a politician who is very anti-gun or a politician who will do nothing until they are replaced by an anti-gun politician. Fast death or slow death.
I still want a Second Amendment party where the only party platform is voting progun, everything else secondary.
We need to have a face-palm emoji added to the library....
I'll sum up the human political situation thusly.... no one has a problem with tyranny, as long as it's THEIR brand of tyranny.
That wouldn't stop those proposing more laws. They really don't care about anything other than disarming citizens.If folks from both sides of the aisle demanded that all current gun laws be enforced, we'd have no need for any further encroachment.