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Might be the only cool homeless person in portlandI believe someone won an argument that their tent was their abode. If I recall, it was a homeless dude in Oregon with a gun.
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Might be the only cool homeless person in portlandI believe someone won an argument that their tent was their abode. If I recall, it was a homeless dude in Oregon with a gun.
I was just having this conversation earlier today. Since you are state certified "private" armed security ( a step above Joe Q citizen) you may fall into a loophole area. It will impede your ability to perform your duties to be out gunned, despite people thinking just because there's a law, criminals follow them.
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Who is to say where are you going with those? I can't imagine any LE giving you a hard time, especially if you are on the job. on the way or away from...
Inside sources (in local LE and OSP) I have are telling me top brass are leaving the enforcement of the mag limit to officers discretion. Which means, if you're up to no good and you have 11+ rounds in a mag, it's another charge they can levy. However, if you're driving a little fast on the road and get pulled over, the officer isn't going to ask if your tool has a 15 round clipozine in it.
and so we're clear.. I AM NOT A LAWYER, this is not legal advice, you don't know me
I'd wonder if they COULD ask you (legally)? - The ones that WOULD, anyways...then charge you with a crime?....Inside sources (in local LE and OSP) I have are telling me top brass are leaving the enforcement of the mag limit to officers discretion. Which means, if you're up to no good and you have 11+ rounds in a mag, it's another charge they can levy. However, if you're driving a little fast on the road and get pulled over, the officer isn't going to ask if your tool has a 15 round clipozine in it.
and so we're clear.. I AM NOT A LAWYER, this is not legal advice, you don't know me
JBT: Can I see your magazine?I'd wonder if they COULD ask you (legally)? - The ones that WOULD, anyways...then charge you with a crime?
-Given that CHL's are tied to DMV, in Oregon. They would know if a driver has a CHL. Not that a driver was carrying at the time. Nor if the magazine was legal, if the driver was carrying at all. Oregon has no law prompting a driver to announce such to a LEO. Some states do have such law...
THAT would be interesting for the lawyers on the board to chime in on.
Warrant. I'm not showing anything just cause they ask nicely.I'd wonder if they COULD ask you (legally)? - The ones that WOULD, anyways...then charge you with a crime?
-Given that CHL's are tied to DMV, in Oregon. They would know if a driver has a CHL. Not that a driver was carrying at the time. Nor if the magazine was legal, if the driver was carrying at all. Oregon has no law prompting a driver to announce such to a LEO. Some states do have such law...
THAT would be interesting for the lawyers on the board to chime in on.
They don't care. That's what a lot of people don't seem to understand here. Many keep trying to approach this with some semblance that LEVO had best intentions at heart. They don't. And they never did. This has nothing to do with safety or keeping guns out of the hands of criminals.I don't understand how the people that wrote this wouldn't see these hurdles and at least prepared for them.
It's not that they don't like guns. It's that they don't like US having guns. They are more than thrilled and support their security teams carrying guns to protect them. In their eyes we don't qualify/deserve the same right. We are just misguided little peasants in their eyes.They don't care. That's what a lot of people don't seem to understand here. Many keep trying to approach this with some semblance that LEVO had best intentions at heart. They don't. And they never did. This has nothing to do with safety or keeping guns out of the hands of criminals.
They are SNOBS who are utterly convinced that they know what's best for you. They HATE guns and they don't care about the intricacies of owning, carrying, or buying them. They are trying to make the process of owning one as difficult and as arduous as humanly possible so that people just give up. They know they can't CALL it a ban, so they're doing everything to skirt that word and make it difficult instead.
Going forward, the gun rights movement needs to meet these people on their own level. We're never going to get ahead waving flags and holding up signs about the constitution. We need to counter them by helping voters understand that they are victimizing poor people and "people of color". Because they don't care about the Constitution, the 2A, or legalese speak. The only thing that gets through to them are Leftist buzzwords and emotion. So plan accordingly and get with the times.
If they show up to your door on the 12th are you gunna walk them in to the police department?Does anyone know how 114 affects ordering ordering magazines online? Palmetto State Armory posted a notice stating Dec 4th was the final day for Oregonians to purchase >10 rd mags from them, so on the 2nd I bought some more assuming they would get here before the 8th. However, they just shipped today with an estimated delivery date of Dec 12th. Is it illegal for me to take possession if they're delivered after the 8th?
You really should read the measure. Your answer is in there. It really is not a good idea to post questions like this on the internet.Does anyone know how 114 affects ordering ordering magazines online? Palmetto State Armory posted a notice stating Dec 4th was the final day for Oregonians to purchase >10 rd mags from them, so on the 2nd I bought some more assuming they would get here before the 8th. However, they just shipped today with an estimated delivery date of Dec 12th. Is it illegal for me to take possession if they're delivered after the 8th?
No, I won't walk them into the police department, but I might return them. I've done everything legally so far, and I don't want to start dipping into grey areas now. You're right in that nothing will probably ever come of it, but I'm just asking the question.If they show up to your door on the 12th are you gunna walk them in to the police department?
If they shipped and they show up then who cares.
I'll come get them from you if you're really that worried about it. I'll personally take the liability.
Thanks. Yeah, I did read the measure. Things are just open to different interpretation, which is why I threw out the question here. I'm not planning on screenshotting internet forums and using that as a legal defense, if that's what you're implying. As written, it sounds like it's probably illegal if it doesn't show up by the 8th:You really should read the measure. Your answer is in there. It really is not a good idea to post questions like this on the internet.
It will be a crime to posses any 10+ magazine. However there is affirmative defense if you can prove you "owned" it before the implementation date. You bought it and owned it before the date. You should be good to go.
It's bringing into the state, so once your package crosses state lines.No, I won't walk them into the police department, but I might return them. I've done everything legally so far, and I don't want to start dipping into grey areas now. You're right in that nothing will probably ever come of it, but I'm just asking the question.
Thanks. Yeah, I did read the measure. Things are just open to different interpretation, which is why I threw out the question here. I'm not planning on screenshotting internet forums and using that as a legal defense, if that's what you're implying. As written, it sounds like it's probably illegal if it doesn't show up by the 8th:
"As of the effective date of this 2022 Act, it shall be an affirmative defense, as provided in ORS 166.055, to the unlawful possession, use and transfer of a large-capacity magazine in this state by any person, provided that:
(a) The large-capacity magazine was owned by the person before the effective date of this 2022 Act and maintained in the person's control or possession"
I could argue that it was, in fact, owned by me prior to the 8th, but it was not "maintained in my control or possession". UPS will be in control/possession until the 12th.
The law is very poorly written. It however says own not transfer. You bought and own the mag and paid for it to be shipped to you. You are in control of the magazines being shipped to you when you completed the order and they shipped them.No, I won't walk them into the police department, but I might return them. I've done everything legally so far, and I don't want to start dipping into grey areas now. You're right in that nothing will probably ever come of it, but I'm just asking the question.
Thanks. Yeah, I did read the measure. Things are just open to different interpretation, which is why I threw out the question here. I'm not planning on screenshotting internet forums and using that as a legal defense, if that's what you're implying. As written, it sounds like it's probably illegal if it doesn't show up by the 8th:
"As of the effective date of this 2022 Act, it shall be an affirmative defense, as provided in ORS 166.055, to the unlawful possession, use and transfer of a large-capacity magazine in this state by any person, provided that:
(a) The large-capacity magazine was owned by the person before the effective date of this 2022 Act and maintained in the person's control or possession"
I could argue that it was, in fact, owned by me prior to the 8th, but it was not "maintained in my control or possession". UPS will be in control/possession until the 12th.
Illegal out and about.So on the point of concealed carrying with mags over 10 rounds, the bill says you can have the mags "On property owned or immediately controlled by the registered owner". Could one not argue that their car is their property? Or their waistband, or jacket pocket?
I just wanted to play devil's advocate and ask this question as I'm half stupid when it comes to these bills that aren't written in plain English.
Does anyone know how 114 affects ordering ordering magazines online? Palmetto State Armory posted a notice stating Dec 4th was the final day for Oregonians to purchase >10 rd mags from them, so on the 2nd I bought some more assuming they would get here before the 8th. However, they just shipped today with an estimated delivery date of Dec 12th. Is it illegal for me to take possession if they're delivered after the 8th?