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I wish I had a Beretta CX-4.
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I bought a hi point carbine in 9mm back when they were under $300 new. I know it's ugly but it works, plus don't forget, every defensive weapon can end up in an evidence locker, you don't want your $2000 dream gun to get taken. I have $280 total into the set up. It's my wife's trunk gun!
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I thought a .357 carbine was about the same power as a 30-30.Technically not "pistol caliber", the .30 carbine is pretty close to a .357 carbine in power.
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.44 mag in a carbine is closer.I thought a .357 carbine was about the same power as a 30-30.
The 30-30 with a 170 gr does 2100 and the .357 factory remington load 170 gr soft point out of a carbine does 2000..44 mag in a carbine is closer.
But because of the bullet shape, the 30-30 will hold more power out another 50 yards or so,
For dangerous animal protection, I've heard people say:
The 44 in a carbine is better for the <50-75 yard range. Bigger bullet, more knockdown,
The 30-30 is better beyond 50-75 yards.
Never had to shoot a grizzly at 30 yards so I don't know if the above is fact or fiction.
Of course the above also assume that you are using the proper type of bullet in each gun.
Ahahah yes ergonomics are not great in the hi point.I've shot one of those. It looks unwieldy but I was able to run a plate rack fast enough. Smoked it with my MP5 but I have a lot of trigger time on that gun. And yes, the MP5 goes strictly to the range and back, never to the mall.
Ahahaha I agree, but I'm a chronic cheap A$$!!!
Those things get a LOT of hate but, there are many great video's of people who buy one only to "try" to make a show of breaking it. They then find out they are shockingly hard to break. When they first hit they were around $150. For a long time I never even picked one up pre net as I "thought" they had to be junk. Then a buddy bought one because they were just so cheap. We started playing with it and were shocked that it just worked. Back then they looked a lot like those guns in the original Planet of the Apes movie. The proprietary mags were the only reason I never bought one. Soon they sold so well someone started making a far nicer looking stock for them. So then the Co decided to get in on the game and greatly improved them so they no longer looked like the old "Ugly Stick" as they had come to be known. Now days one of them make a FINE home defense PCC on the cheap. A side benefit is as you say if it ends up used and taken no one is going to cry.I bought a hi point carbine in 9mm back when they were under $300 new. I know it's ugly but it works, plus don't forget, every defensive weapon can end up in an evidence locker, you don't want your $2000 dream gun to get taken. I have $280 total into the set up. It's my wife's trunk gun!
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Indeed. For all the millions of them in calibers ranging from .380 to 10mm; there are very few relatively that aren't reliable or won't function correctly.Those things get a LOT of hate but, there are many great video's of people who buy one only to "try" to make a show of breaking it. They then find out they are shockingly hard to break.
Those things get a LOT of hate but, there are many great video's of people who buy one only to "try" to make a show of breaking it. They then find out they are shockingly hard to break. When they first hit they were around $150. For a long time I never even picked one up pre net as I "thought" they had to be junk. Then a buddy bought one because they were just so cheap. We started playing with it and were shocked that it just worked. Back then they looked a lot like those guns in the original Planet of the Apes movie. The proprietary mags were the only reason I never bought one. Soon they sold so well someone started making a far nicer looking stock for them. So then the Co decided to get in on the game and greatly improved them so they no longer looked like the old "Ugly Stick" as they had come to be known. Now days one of them make a FINE home defense PCC on the cheap. A side benefit is as you say if it ends up used and taken no one is going to cry.
The part I most like to make fun of are the springy stocksThose things get a LOT of hate but, there are many great video's of people who buy one only to "try" to make a show of breaking it. They then find out they are shockingly hard to break. When they first hit they were around $150. For a long time I never even picked one up pre net as I "thought" they had to be junk. Then a buddy bought one because they were just so cheap. We started playing with it and were shocked that it just worked. Back then they looked a lot like those guns in the original Planet of the Apes movie. The proprietary mags were the only reason I never bought one. Soon they sold so well someone started making a far nicer looking stock for them. So then the Co decided to get in on the game and greatly improved them so they no longer looked like the old "Ugly Stick" as they had come to be known. Now days one of them make a FINE home defense PCC on the cheap. A side benefit is as you say if it ends up used and taken no one is going to cry.
If I could choose any, it would be pre 86' select fire without question. Mp5 with 3 round burst. Too bad the 10mm mp5 in select fire wasn't available to civilians. That would be a nice gun to have. The Walther subgun in select fire would be fun but I doubt it could touch the mp5 in shootability/accuracy.So, I watched a couple documentaries, and some other footage, of the LA Riots. In a few cases I saw pistol caliber carbines in the hands of LEOs and private citizens. (For the grins, I found myself looking for 1980s vintage Uzi carbines as the basis of an SBR project, but then opted not to. But that is another story.)
Anyway, I figured this might be an interesting thought experiment. What would your choice be, and why, for a pistol caliber carbine for the defense of an urban residence or business? Parameters would be:
Enjoy!
- In a pistol caliber, obviously.
- Repeater.
- Can be suppressed.
- Braced pistols are allowed.
- Pistols stamped and turned into very small rifles are fine.
- For the grins, can be select-fire, but only real world. That would be transferable, pre-May 1986 subguns available to private citizens. (For example, an Uzi or MP5 would be realistic, while a P90 or UMP would not.)
- Any parts or accessories are allowed, provided they are not presently banned, are available and/or relatively easy to fabricate.
Still kinda blows my mind that nobody has made a side-folding or telescoping stock for the hi point. Heck, or even a picatinny rail back plate for aftermarket stock compatibility. Being fed from a pistol grip the OAL could be super short, making it an easily packable gun. I know there's only so much a company would want to invest in parts for a beater gun, but rapid prototyping and 3d printing are greatly reducing the cost of R&D. I suspect a company like Magpul could develop an aftermarket stock that would actually look good, be reasonably priced for the consumer, and still net them a decent profit per unit sold.Those things get a LOT of hate but, there are many great video's of people who buy one only to "try" to make a show of breaking it. They then find out they are shockingly hard to break. When they first hit they were around $150. For a long time I never even picked one up pre net as I "thought" they had to be junk. Then a buddy bought one because they were just so cheap. We started playing with it and were shocked that it just worked. Back then they looked a lot like those guns in the original Planet of the Apes movie. The proprietary mags were the only reason I never bought one. Soon they sold so well someone started making a far nicer looking stock for them. So then the Co decided to get in on the game and greatly improved them so they no longer looked like the old "Ugly Stick" as they had come to be known. Now days one of them make a FINE home defense PCC on the cheap. A side benefit is as you say if it ends up used and taken no one is going to cry.
I believe that's a pistol caliber pistol.I like theSTRIBOG SP9 A3
. It has a stronger recoil due to this blow back design, but 9mm is pretty mild to begin with.
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