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Retro "drip" also, a clone of something sold to the Govt that people seem to salivate overWhat's the appeal that other ar9 thingies don't already offer?
And "pistol" would mean brace. Pew.They announced the DOE thingy at the SHOT show this year I think, and I highly doubt it'll be available as only an upper, and I predict that it'll cost north of $950 for the complete "pistol" configuration.
That particular one? Retro-wackiness mainly. Not enough for me to bother though.What's the appeal that other ar9 thingies don't already offer?
Well, they could be sold sans braces/stocks with the round pistol buffer tube... not sure if H&R offers a "brace" similar to the 3d printed AR180 site's CAR retro sharkfin braces (literally CAR stock without the shoulder plate )And "pistol" would mean brace. Pew.
That particular one? Retro-wackiness mainly. Not enough for me to bother though.
I don't know what a DOE is but that thing is massive with that long buffer tube but small pistol sized barrel. Why would someoen want a pcc that big with the small barrel? I Would rather have an mp5, mp5k, Stribog roller delayed 10mm or 9mm. Extar is already that size and is cheap and reliable.To quote an old Ministry song, "resurrection coming in stereo"; looks like there is a DOE option now.
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Department Of Energy.I don't know what a DOE is but that thing is massive with that long buffer tube. Why would someoen want a pcc that big? I Would rather have an mp5, mp5k, Stribog roller delayed 10mm or 9mm. Extar is already that size and is cheap and reliable.
Ah I see thx. Must be a collector thing cuz there are so many excellent PCCS now.Department Of Energy.
It was a Colt SMG (full auto!) With 9mm bits and pieces, special handguard, special front sight. Model was R0663 or RO663
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Edit. It was something Colt offered back in the 1980s-1990s I think?
The Colt model beat the MP5K for the DOE contract. Didn't stop the USN SEALS from getting a whole bunch of MP5s thoughAh I see thx. Must be a collector thing cuz there are so many excellent PCCS now.
What is amazing to me is HK has been trying to improve on the mp5 since what the 1970's? Multiple subguns were tried and governments/buyers always preferred the mp5. And other manufacturers trying to outdo it also of course. But it always rises to the top even today. Not saying sig mpx is worse cuz that's hard to argue but even after all this time it's still on the top teir.
They don't seem to have a website. They do have a facebook page. Fortunately, it's publicly visible. Unfortunately, they don't seem to have much AR9 content.Google is failing me on their site. Was hoping they'd just offer the upper that one could slap on an SBRed lower.
H&R is under Palmetto State Armory, whose owner also bought Nodak Spud (NDS), and I think the Nodak guys are the ones making the retro uppers and maybe lowers tooThey don't seem to have a website. They do have a facebook page. Fortunately, it's publicly visible. Unfortunately, they don't seem to have much AR9 content.
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I had to look that one up. 21" overall length is not bad but of course more than full size mp5, mpx, Stribog, etc. Also longer than some 5.56 offerings. Such as this 10.5" barrel 5.56 sbr beastie (although with stock unfolded would be a couple inches longer probably). But many of those are more modern guns.Department Of Energy.
It was a Colt SMG (full auto!) With 9mm bits and pieces, special handguard, special front sight. Model was R0663 or RO663
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Edit. It was something Colt offered back in the 1980s-1990s I think?
My 12" 6.5 Grendel SBR has a 27.5" OAL without muzzle device. 6.5" (edit, I can't maths today) shorter makes for a relatively compact feeling PDW, but yeah, they could be smaller still as seen on the Olympic Arms OA98 5.56 pistolI had to look that one up. 21" overall length is not bad but of course more than full size mp5, mpx, Stribog, etc. Also longer than some 5.56 offerings. Such as this 10.5" barrel 5.56 beastie (although with stock unfolded would be a couple inches longer probably). But many of those are more modern guns.
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Yep. The K model is really nice to stuff in a backpack. Plus my Gemtech can fits perfectly in a spare magazine pouch.I don't know what a DOE is but that thing is massive with that long buffer tube but small pistol sized barrel. Why would someoen want a pcc that big with the small barrel? I Would rather have an mp5, mp5k, Stribog roller delayed 10mm or 9mm. Extar is already that size and is cheap and reliable.
Mp5k is probably about same size barrel but much smaller (more handy, easy to carry and conceal) and silky smooth to shoot.
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Or reg size mp5, Stribog, evo etc woudl double the barrel length roughly and still be smaller.
Being the first kid on your block to have one.What's the appeal that other ar9 thingies don't already offer?