Gun control laws do not apply to Native American reservations

[Spitpatch]

Purchasing land does not, in and of itself, make that land part of the reservation or subject to their rules/regs/laws.

Sure as hell does in Montana.

 

[The Heretic]

Sure as hell does in Montana.

It depends on how they purchase the land - whether it is "fee simple" or "trust" land.

 

[lucusloc]

Man, it is so hard to say. My mom always claimed she was 1/8 Potawatomi. I thought she made that word up, but learned it is a real tribe. She had an old photo with one of my ancestors with his clearly Indian bride. So, for many years I told folks that I was part Indian. When enrolling my kids at school, there was a woman there inquiring into whether any of the kids had Native American ancestry. She was looking to hook people up with some type of benefit. I told her my kids probably had some ancestral ties, but we really didn't overtly embrace them and weren't looking to get anything based on that. She very pleasantly nodded and moved on to the next group of people. Fast forward about 15 years and my 20-something daughter takes on of those DNA tests. The report she received indicated she was pretty much a saltine cracker.

I honestly don't know. Could you get from 1/8th to less than 1/100th in two generations? Are those DNA test bogus? I do have quite a bit of artwork related to Native Americans. The End of the Trail is one of my favorite sculptures. I have even been known to quote Chief Joseph.

Genetics is a super interesting branch of genealogy*. You have the basic math, the actual genetics and the the expression of those genetics to contend with.

The basic math says you get all of your parents genealogy diluted by half. So in your question if you were two generations removed from 1/8th you would be diluted down to 1/32nd, and by the third generation it would be 1/64th, then 1/128th, assuming you were getting no more of that lineage inherited from other branches of the genealogy. It does start diluting very rapidly.

And that is before you consider how actual genetic inheritance works. In reality, you only inherit a discrete half of your parent's DNA. If your mother was 1/2 European and 1/2 Native American by full blooded parents, you have a 50/50 chance of inheriting nearly 100% European or Native American genetics. There is a small amount of swapping between the chromosomes, but it is not nearly as much as the math would suggest (which assumes a pretty much complete and homogeneous mixing of the genetic material). In reality you are likely to be inheriting greater than 90% of your genetic material from one genotype or the other, meaning that the practical impact on your phenotype is that of a nearly full blooded parentage.

But all of that is assuming female genetics. Male genetics is even more convoluted on account of the x and y chromosomes being different sizes, with the male chromosome missing huge swaths of genetic information compared to the female one, while containing its own specific bits and bobs related to uniquely male attributes. The shuffling of genetic material in male gametes is not uniform.

And of course all this is just the averages. You could have near 50/50 mixing of the chromosomes in the female gamete, as there is no physiological process that physically prevents it, it is just extremely unlikely for that to happen (the male gamete is always going to have lopsided mixing on account of the different sized chromosomes).

All of this should be traceable in genetic tests, but of course they cannot detect what you did not inherit. This means that even two generations down you could have children that have had one branch of their genetics diluted by 100 fold or more to near undetectability.

Now we get into gene expression, which is it's own can of worms as there are dominant, co-dominant, recessive and co-recessive genes. So even if you, for example, inherited only 10% Native American genes from one of your parents, if those genes were dominant for a obvious phenotype, like complexion, you could wind up looking very Native American while actually holding very little Native American genetics to pass down to future generations.

*Take everything here with a grain of salt, as this is information learned decades ago and I know there has been continued developments in the genetic sciences. I may be quite far off from the prevailing understanding today. No attempt was made to validate any information presented against the most currently accepted paradigm.

 

[Bobbygun]

But all of that is assuming female genetics.

So, I should chop off my tallywhacker and change my username to Robertagun?

 

[Indy62]

I took a dna test. It came back with 100% American.

Race, national origin, ethnicity, hyphenation(ism)...

All BS..if you wanna be an American, then identify as such and leave the rest off..

 

[Mikej]

*Take everything here with a grain of salt, as this is information learned decades ago and I know there has been continued developments in the genetic sciences. I may be quite far off from the prevailing understanding today. No attempt was made to validate any information presented against the most currently accepted paradigm.

Speaking of women.

You know why women have smaller feet than men?

 

[solv3nt]

Speaking of women.

You know why women have smaller feet than men?

Smaller socks?

 

[Mikej]

Smaller socks?

No silly. So they can get right up the sink, and the stove, to fix the meals and wash dishes!

I'll be here all week.

 

[Lazyfaire]

No silly. So they they can get right up the sink, and the stove, to fix the meals and wash dishes!

I'll be here all week.

Is your wife in the room? lol

 

[solv3nt]

Is your wife in the room? lol

She turned him in for a newer model.

 

[Flopsweat]

She turned him in for a newer model.

The old one was getting impossible to kick over in the morning.

 

[Mikej]

Is your wife in the room? lol

She turned him in for a newer model.

The old one was getting impossible to kick over in the morning.

Actually, I'm chief cook and bottle washer. It's better that way. Always has been, always will be.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Unconstitutional gun laws don't apply to any Americans. But to prove it if they prosecute you means your life savings, stress, and time to fight it. Kind of like suing Boeing only without the so-called "suicides" and "sudden unexplained fatal infections".

 

[DunRanull]

So, what's a "first nation"?
How many "first nations" are there?
Does this replace "native American"?
Good grief, have we been taken over by the Canadians??? They have "first nations" out the wazzoo...
What happened to the Indians we used to have? Good Lord, Wokery-pokery has attacked again!
My kids are part Indian (Cherokee) and tribal members but there never has been any "first nations" about them...

Rant off.

Edited to add: I'm from the McTribe, myself, Scottish and Irish subTribes, of the American Federation and having been born here of parents and grandparents etc born here, "native" to this place... heh-heh, maybe I should open a casino...

 

[Certaindeaf]

Didn't really read the whole thread but according to the village people mustache laws also do not apply to native americans.

 

[lucusloc]

So, what's a "first nation"?
How many "first nations" are there?
Does this replace "native American"?
Good grief, have we been taken over by the Canadians??? They have "first nations" out the wazzoo...
What happened to the Indians we used to have? Good Lord, Wokery-pokery has attacked again!
My kids are part Indian (Cherokee) and tribal members but there never has been any "first nations" about them...

Rant off.

Yeah, I have zero problem asking people what they want to be called (not the pronoun game, that is basic grammar. I am talking about cultural identity). A huge amount of Indians want to be called Indians. They are also just fine with "Native American" and typically only use the "First Nations" moniker for official functions. Yes, we all know the term "Indian" was a misnomer, but it stuck for hundreds of years, and it has been adopted as an identity all it's own now.

Honestly I am more concerned with your philosophy than what you choose to call yourself. That says far more about you than whatever title you adopt.

 

[billdeserthills]

Yeah, I have zero problem asking people what they want to be called (not the pronoun game, that is basic grammar. I am talking about cultural identity). A huge amount of Indians want to be called Indians. They are also just fine with "Native American" and typically only use the "First Nations" moniker for official functions. Yes, we all know the term "Indian" was a misnomer, but it stuck for hundreds of years, and it has been adopted as an identity all it's own now.

Honestly I am more concerned with your philosophy than what you choose to call yourself. That says far more about you than whatever title you adopt.

I still think if we call native americans, 'Injuns' then folks won't be confusing them with India's people

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Regarding the terms Native America , Indian , First Nation etc.....

When I give a talk about my display of fur trade firearms and related items...
I try to use the name of the actual tribe ...as in :
"This is a bow of the Southern Cheyenne , it is from the 1860s or thereabouts..."

I once gave a talk about the Sand Creek Massacre of 1864 to the Arapaho Nation and representatives of the Southern Cheyenne Nations...that was bit nerve racking to say the least.
With that said...
They did not seem bothered by the use of the term "Indian" or use of their tribal name.

Something to consider here...
The terms Native American , Indian , First Nations...etc...
Only apply to a group as a whole...which often does not fit or speak for all within said group.
Which reservation...which tribe...?
Both are important distinctions...since what happens on one reservation may be totally different on another one.
Andy

 

[clanhanson]

Yeah, I have zero problem asking people what they want to be called (not the pronoun game, that is basic grammar. I am talking about cultural identity). A huge amount of Indians want to be called Indians. They are also just fine with "Native American" and typically only use the "First Nations" moniker for official functions. Yes, we all know the term "Indian" was a misnomer, but it stuck for hundreds of years, and it has been adopted as an identity all it's own now.

Honestly I am more concerned with your philosophy than what you choose to call yourself. That says far more about you than whatever title you adopt.

The Res where I spent much of my youth was a place where you didn't call residents "Indians" unless you wanted teeth removed from your head.

However, the Res near my current home is a place where you don't call them "Natives" unless you want teeth knocked out of your head.

On the other hand, my good friend is Sunni, if you called him Sufi he wouldn't give a Shiite

 

[Certaindeaf]

The Res where I spent much of my youth was a place where you didn't call residents "Indians" unless you wanted teeth removed from your head.

However, the Res near my current home is a place where you don't call them "Natives" unless you want teeth knocked out of your head.

That's nice but what does that have to do with anything save to be inflamatory?