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The farmer was facing someone with a weapon.
Yep, and that dummy was probably an eye-blink from getting shot.
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The farmer was facing someone with a weapon.
Once again, just my opinion...Notice he didnt say use lethal force.
Once again, just my opinion...
I do not consider his actions to be a use of lethal force. Just because the firearm has the potential to inflict a lethal wound doesn't equate it's display or discharge as a warning to lethal force. If the guy had displayed that he was armed with a #2 Phillips screwdriver, would that be use of lethal force just because it's capable of creating a lethal wound? If that's the road we're going down, where does it end considering just about any solid object is capable of inflicting a lethal wound if wielded correctly? I know, let's just categorize every object that has mass as lethal.
A drawn gun is considered lethal force in all states. So is a screwdriver if its being used to threaten someone.I do not consider his actions to be a use of lethal force. Just because the firearm has the potential to inflict a lethal wound doesn't equate it's display or discharge as a warning to lethal force. If the guy had displayed that he was armed with a #2 Phillips screwdriver, would that be use of lethal force just because it's capable of creating a lethal wound?
Interesting. I spend time almost daily around people with a "drawn gun" and don't feel threatened or that they're somehow making a show of "lethal force" in any way. Does the fact that a firearm is in someone's hand invariably indicate that they are using lethal force?A drawn gun is considered lethal force in all states. So is a screwdriver if its being used to threaten someone.
Stupidity can be a formidable weapon.Yeah, like bricks! You can find those between so many sets of ears these days.
No.A drawn gun is considered lethal force in all states. So is a screwdriver if its being used to threaten someone.
A drawn gun is not a use of lethal force, it's actually part of the escalation of the use force that can lead up to the use of deadly/lethal force.
How so?
You just answered your own question…. There's the threat of, and the actual use of…How so?
If someones pointing a gun at you threatening to shoot. Or threatening you with an object how is that not using or threatening to use lethal force?
Except the sheriff i quoted didnt say when someone is threatening you.You just answered your own question…. There's the threat of, and the actual use of…
In many ways. You specifically stated:How so?
If someones pointing a gun at you threatening to shoot. Or threatening you with an object how is that not using or threatening to use lethal force?
This is not true. Just in Montana, this is specifically defined.A drawn gun is considered lethal force in all states.
My question from the beginning was about when ones life isnt being threatened.In many ways. You specifically stated:
This is not true. Just in Montana, this is specifically defined.
Openly Carrying. Weapon - Display
Additionally, your statement is overly broad.How would anyone hunt using your statement? Then, you changed the context with your "How so?" question.
Also, there is a world of difference between "use" and anything else, to which every individual state may define differently. @Stomper already touched on that.
This is my only question.Is protecting your property a life threatening situation?
No, just you. The sheriff gave the citation in the article. If you need me to hold your hand, here is the statutory link to get you started:My question from the beginning was about when ones life isnt being threatened.
Everybody else keeps changing the context.
I know what the farmer did was legal. I wasnt asking about that. I was referring to a different statement the sheriff was quoted saying.You ask the question, but refuse to accept the answer. What the farmer did was perfectly legal.
In many ways. You specifically stated:
This is not true. Just in Montana, this is specifically defined.
Openly Carrying. Weapon - Display
Additionally, your statement is overly broad.How would anyone hunt using your statement? Then, you changed the context with your "How so?" question.
Also, there is a world of difference between "use" and anything else, to which every individual state may define differently. @Stomper already touched on that.
I know what the farmer did was legal. I wasnt asking about that. I was referring to a different statement the sheriff was quoted saying.
Grant County Sheriff's Office spokesman Kyle Foreman told Fox News Digital that Washington state law allows people to "use, attempt, or offer to use force upon or toward the person" whenever "reasonably used by a person to detain someone who enters or remains unlawfully in a building or on real property lawfully in the possession of such person, so long as such detention is reasonable in duration and manner to investigate the reason for the detained person's presence on the premises, and so long as the premises in question did not reasonably appear to be intended to be open to members of the public."
Above is the gist of the meandering discussion.Notice he didnt say use lethal force.
We are tripping over the posts so I missed this one. He didn't say anything about being threatened, because threat isn't necessary to detain a trespasser (in simple terms). It is irrelevant, at least in WA.This is my only question.
The sheriff was saying people could hold others at gunpoint till he arrived. Said nothing about being threatened.
Post #4 for full context.