This is the root of the issue. Make it legal and people will justify trying on the bull of a lifetime at longer ranges and with any bullet. Apparently the 77gn TMK is working on elk in the Rokslide hunting forum but even if thats the magic bullet...
6 cows, no bulls all shots were taken inside of 100m mostly around 50m
Mans got to know his limitations.
Largly because I want to hunt with the AR platform as I am most familiar with it.
Your 75 and 77gr variety factory otm's are seeing great results in other states where legal. And just because you would not do it does not mean someone else shouldn'.
Thank you someone who attempted to answer the question.
I do not. Is this the standard that the ODFW uses?
Have you thought of this?
I don't know if it's a written standard, but anecdotical evidence from the layman probably wouldn't get you very far with the ODFW Commission, nor would any other State's regulations.
I dont know for certain but magazine length in the AR platform will limit how far out you can seat the heavier bullets potentially reducing case capacity, thus needed velocities. From what Ive read about this most elk hunters using the 223 are hunting with bolt actions where they can handload closer to the lands. Im not certain what factory ammo gets with the heavier bullets.
I would argue thats not a great standard. Their are plenty of heavier .223 loads that would fit the bill regardless of marketing.
I believe that Oregon is in the preliminary stage of going lead-free, and we'll be lucky if it's just for hunting. If you were serious about changing the regs, my opinion is that any evidence using ammo with lead will be a non-starter. If you can provide evidence of terminal ballistics and success hunting large game, such as elk, with 22 cal monos or lead-free ammo you might actually have a chance. I'm not sure that such evidence exists.
9mm will blow the
right out of an elk, moose, grizzly, elephant, etc. No need for something extreme like 223.
Given that experience you still think a 223 will do the job. I do not agree - many shots are not perfect and with a 223 there is no room for error. I have seen a deer killed by my dad with a 22LR. That does not make a 22LR a deer cartridge.
Sorry I was reading everything up until this point…
You need to practice more if you need hand loads for 50-100m shots.
You can buy custom 10 round magazines for the Savage Axis, Axis 2, etc in a variety of calibers. If your looking for more rounds, and less LBS this is the way to go. Then again you should only need one round with the right shot placement. But for varmints you can't go wrong.
I've killed 23 myself hunting. 7 stick flicking, 13 with a 270 and 3 with a 300wsm. Lost count on work related elk take, the majority where removed with my 22-250 or a suppressed 308 with sub sonic loads. I have used a 22 on a couple occasions too. For hunting purposes I personally wouldn't want anything smaller than the 270. Hunting situations things can go sideways fast, shot placement and tracking skills are key.
