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raise your hand if you think the NFA is ridiculous!!!
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In recent years I've got increasingly into NFA firearms and have a decent stamp collection going. I've toyed with the idea of getting into a machine-gun, but haven't taken the plunge. The pragmatic side of me (or cost-conscious, er, cheap, if you wish) has a hard time justifying said at today's going rates. On the flipside, few things have kept their value and increased exponentially like fully transferable machine-guns. Though all it would take for the value to go away is one stroke of a anti-RKBA's pen that makes them verboten.
All the aside, one item I keep coming back to is the American 180 submachine-gun in .22LR. They just look like a heck of a lot of fun. They're, relatively, cheap to feed. Parts and repair is handled by a company right here in Southern Oregon. On that point, I thought I'd toss this out for discussion:
Anyone have own one of these little buzz guns? How do you like it? What is a realistic price, circa Q4 2016 for a transferable specimen? Failing that, anyone play with the semi-auto only variant and, if so, how is it?
Thanks much.
I picked up my American 180 on Tuesday getting a new gun and President on the same day. It's an interesting weapon and I'm learning about the unique magazine function before I go to the range. I purchased it from Ruben Mendiola in Miami. As I'm not far away I had the opportunity to visit his office (he does not have a traditional gun shop) with an appointment giving me an opportunity to view the weapon and speak with him at length. Every 180 he sells is sent to Val Cooper for evaluation and "tune up". During the 8 1/2 month wait the gun appreciated $2000 before I received it. Cooper has a device to record the rate of fire which he returns with the gun. I'll keep you posted after some range time if your interested.In recent years I've got increasingly into NFA firearms and have a decent stamp collection going. I've toyed with the idea of getting into a machine-gun, but haven't taken the plunge. The pragmatic side of me (or cost-conscious, er, cheap, if you wish) has a hard time justifying said at today's going rates. On the flipside, few things have kept their value and increased exponentially like fully transferable machine-guns. Though all it would take for the value to go away is one stroke of a anti-RKBA's pen that makes them verboten.
All the aside, one item I keep coming back to is the American 180 submachine-gun in .22LR. They just look like a heck of a lot of fun. They're, relatively, cheap to feed. Parts and repair is handled by a company right here in Southern Oregon. On that point, I thought I'd toss this out for discussion:
Anyone have own one of these little buzz guns? How do you like it? What is a realistic price, circa Q4 2016 for a transferable specimen? Failing that, anyone play with the semi-auto only variant and, if so, how is it?
Thanks much.
raise your hand if you think the NFA is ridiculous!!!
That MP-40 is a beautiful piece. What did that cost you, if you don't mind my asking.Picked up a sweet MP-40 the same day which is also a very controllable weapon.
They are a very cool little rifle! I have repaired, (cleaned) a semi and FA version. Pretty well made little rifles. Only problem I had noticed that after running fa for thousands of rounds they actually needed to be cleaned once and awhile to keep functioning 100%.. Only mechanical problems I noticed was recoil spring replacement/wear. And that's pretty common
In recent years I've got increasingly into NFA firearms and have a decent stamp collection going. I've toyed with the idea of getting into a machine-gun, but haven't taken the plunge. The pragmatic side of me (or cost-conscious, er, cheap, if you wish) has a hard time justifying said at today's going rates. On the flipside, few things have kept their value and increased exponentially like fully transferable machine-guns. Though all it would take for the value to go away is one stroke of a anti-RKBA's pen that makes them verboten.
All the aside, one item I keep coming back to is the American 180 submachine-gun in .22LR. They just look like a heck of a lot of fun. They're, relatively, cheap to feed. Parts and repair is handled by a company right here in Southern Oregon. On that point, I thought I'd toss this out for discussion:
Anyone have own one of these little buzz guns? How do you like it? What is a realistic price, circa Q4 2016 for a transferable specimen? Failing that, anyone play with the semi-auto only variant and, if so, how is it?
Thanks much.
Shot them plenty, but never bothered owning ones based on my shooting experiences with them. Regardless of what you read on the net, .22 smg's just aren't overly reliable. I want a gun I can pull the trigger on and know it'll run 100% all the time. The AM180 is not that type of gun IMHO, even after having the feed block replaced by E&L Manufacturing in Oregon. If they're nice and clean, and you have nice clean ammo, they'll run reliably until they get dirty. Shot them suppressed too and they have a tenancy to destroy suppressors, and they last even less time before coming dirty. I've shot and owned Norrell units as well and they were about the same, but with all the Ruger accessories available are a lot more fun to play with.
For what AM180's are running these days ($12,000 plus) and the cost of .22LR ammo, you're better off buy something like a Swedish K (make sure to get ones with the removable mag well that takes drum mags), Uzi or an M11/9 with a Lage upper.